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		<title>Comment on Swiss Army Knife by News and Links &#124; Alastair&#039;s Adversaria</title>
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		<dc:creator>News and Links &#124; Alastair&#039;s Adversaria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 00:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you to zoom in further. ***Calvinix tablets: highly recommended for any Arminian readers! Also, denominational Swiss Army knives [HT: Michael Spencer of BHT]. Share this:TwitterFacebookStumbleUponLike this:LikeBe the first to [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Prayer by John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have struggled for years with this, trying idea after idea.

Probably the most helpful, revolutionary thing to happen to me in this area was Matt Chandler&#039;s teaching on prayer that I heard last year where he talked about writing prayers and so I experimented what it would be like to simply type out my prayers in a digital journal that I organize by year, month, and day.

It&#039;s incredibly helpful because I no longer am able to &quot;wander off&quot; in my thoughts, I can focus and really &quot;get to business&quot; in praising, repenting, and interceding.

So what I think we need is a kick in the butt to not stop experimenting until we find something that works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have struggled for years with this, trying idea after idea.</p>
<p>Probably the most helpful, revolutionary thing to happen to me in this area was Matt Chandler&#8217;s teaching on prayer that I heard last year where he talked about writing prayers and so I experimented what it would be like to simply type out my prayers in a digital journal that I organize by year, month, and day.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s incredibly helpful because I no longer am able to &#8220;wander off&#8221; in my thoughts, I can focus and really &#8220;get to business&#8221; in praising, repenting, and interceding.</p>
<p>So what I think we need is a kick in the butt to not stop experimenting until we find something that works.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Prayer by Peter C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 19:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really more of a strategy issue than anything else. Everyone knows they should pray and pray more than they do so it is pretty useless for someone to simply tell a guy that they need to pray/pray more. I think the key is focusing more on the &quot;why&quot; and remembering &lt;i&gt;that you&#039;re talking to a guy&lt;/i&gt;. So, thinking strategically...

I have found prayer difficult because I am a doer and not a talker. On the surface, prayer, as an act of petition, looks like it is simply asking someone else to take care of a problem. It wasn&#039;t until I heard a teaching by Matt Chandler (The Art of Prayer - pdf: http://is.gd/q3XXDq, mp3: http://is.gd/IH2jsD) that I began to see prayer as the vehicle God chooses to use to get to get things done. So when we talk to guys about prayer it needs to framed as a getting-stuff-done action and not like a facebook status update about raising awareness.

It is also easier for me to listen to certain kinds of people.  I am a dude and I listen to dudes. Matt Chandler is a dude, I respect and listen to him. Mark Driscoll is a dude, I can listen to him. All the guys in my small group are dudes for a reason. Joel Osteen is not a dude and simply hearing him speak makes me want to stab myself in the face with a chainsaw, even if what he was saying was somehow worth listening to. So if you need to address an issue (&quot;Peter, you need to pray more because...&quot;) in my life don&#039;t come at me with some sort of emotional appeal. That will not work as I am not an emotional decision maker. Punch me in the face, tell me to man up and stop being a nancy. Handle a guy problem in a guy way. Of course, this means that there needs to be guys around to say this...

Another difficulty I found in praying is that it is so heavily intertwined and symbiotic with worship. This may be more of a me-centric issue than something that applies to guys in general, but worship did not come naturally to me. I show affection and appreciation by doing things for people, not verbally telling them how awesome they are. However, I learned that when one spends a good chunk of prayer time praising God, reflecting on life and acknowledging God&#039;s mercy/love/etc it is addicting and inspires one to spend more time in prayer. I have found that without this component prayer is really not that enjoyable and more often than not something I do because I&#039;m supposed to. Basically what Bob said. So somehow guys need to be convinced of this.

I have also noticed that in my life there is an inverse relationship between sin and prayer. I hate acknowledging that I have done something wrong, which is always something that seems to come up in prayer, so I end up praying less when caught up in sin. I think the best thing to combat this for guys to get involved in a small group with other trustworthy guys who have permission to speak into each others lives and can help each other deal with their temptations.

Finally, I am not sure there are enough examples of guys praying.  Years back when I first began addressing my (lack of) prayer life I had no idea what prayer really was or was supposed to look like. I eventually figured it out (I think) on my own, but I really could have benefited from being around examples of &lt;i&gt;impassioned&lt;/i&gt; prayer. So guys need to pray often and pray together.

So there&#039;s that. I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m a typical guy, but that&#039;s how you&#039;d get me to pray more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really more of a strategy issue than anything else. Everyone knows they should pray and pray more than they do so it is pretty useless for someone to simply tell a guy that they need to pray/pray more. I think the key is focusing more on the &#8220;why&#8221; and remembering <i>that you&#8217;re talking to a guy</i>. So, thinking strategically&#8230;</p>
<p>I have found prayer difficult because I am a doer and not a talker. On the surface, prayer, as an act of petition, looks like it is simply asking someone else to take care of a problem. It wasn&#8217;t until I heard a teaching by Matt Chandler (The Art of Prayer &#8211; pdf: <a href="http://is.gd/q3XXDq" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/q3XXDq</a>, mp3: <a href="http://is.gd/IH2jsD" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/IH2jsD</a>) that I began to see prayer as the vehicle God chooses to use to get to get things done. So when we talk to guys about prayer it needs to framed as a getting-stuff-done action and not like a facebook status update about raising awareness.</p>
<p>It is also easier for me to listen to certain kinds of people.  I am a dude and I listen to dudes. Matt Chandler is a dude, I respect and listen to him. Mark Driscoll is a dude, I can listen to him. All the guys in my small group are dudes for a reason. Joel Osteen is not a dude and simply hearing him speak makes me want to stab myself in the face with a chainsaw, even if what he was saying was somehow worth listening to. So if you need to address an issue (&#8220;Peter, you need to pray more because&#8230;&#8221;) in my life don&#8217;t come at me with some sort of emotional appeal. That will not work as I am not an emotional decision maker. Punch me in the face, tell me to man up and stop being a nancy. Handle a guy problem in a guy way. Of course, this means that there needs to be guys around to say this&#8230;</p>
<p>Another difficulty I found in praying is that it is so heavily intertwined and symbiotic with worship. This may be more of a me-centric issue than something that applies to guys in general, but worship did not come naturally to me. I show affection and appreciation by doing things for people, not verbally telling them how awesome they are. However, I learned that when one spends a good chunk of prayer time praising God, reflecting on life and acknowledging God&#8217;s mercy/love/etc it is addicting and inspires one to spend more time in prayer. I have found that without this component prayer is really not that enjoyable and more often than not something I do because I&#8217;m supposed to. Basically what Bob said. So somehow guys need to be convinced of this.</p>
<p>I have also noticed that in my life there is an inverse relationship between sin and prayer. I hate acknowledging that I have done something wrong, which is always something that seems to come up in prayer, so I end up praying less when caught up in sin. I think the best thing to combat this for guys to get involved in a small group with other trustworthy guys who have permission to speak into each others lives and can help each other deal with their temptations.</p>
<p>Finally, I am not sure there are enough examples of guys praying.  Years back when I first began addressing my (lack of) prayer life I had no idea what prayer really was or was supposed to look like. I eventually figured it out (I think) on my own, but I really could have benefited from being around examples of <i>impassioned</i> prayer. So guys need to pray often and pray together.</p>
<p>So there&#8217;s that. I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;m a typical guy, but that&#8217;s how you&#8217;d get me to pray more.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Prayer by Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 20:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was learning to spend a regular time with God in prayer, I was encouraged to have a portion of the time in praise.  Using God’s word, primarily in the Psalms was most helpful in learning to praise God.  Psalms 144 – 150 in particular were very helpful.  I began by taking a few minutes and ask God to allow His Holy Spirit to bless the time and allow me to honor God with praise.  I would prayfully read out loud one of the Psalms as though they were my words praising God.  As time went on and I read something that would stir my spirit, I would take time to praise God in my words.  An example:
Psalm 145:8	“the Lord is gracious and merciful, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love.”  I would praise God for specific times in my life when He was gracious and merciful to me, my wife or my children.  I would praise and thank Him for the many ways I experienced His steadfast love.
As I grew in my faithfulness to prayer and being comfortable praising God, I didn’t always use the Psalms.   I developed my own prayer language and experience of being in God’s presence.  At times it would be helpful to begin my time of praise with visualizing being in heaven with all of the angels praising God.  As time went on it was easy and natural to just begin a time of praise to God.  As with any relationship, time and consistency are key.
I just wanted to share one small aspect of how I learned to spend time praising God.  For some it may be very helpful to sing a song of praise and have that be the initiator into a time of praising God.
Jesus inspired, encouraged and taught the disciples how to pray.  An example is in Luke 11:1-4.
He was praying in a certain place, and when he ceased, one of his disciples said to him, &quot;Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.&quot; And he said to them, &quot;When you pray, say:
‘Father, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread; and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive every one who is indebted to us; and lead us not into temptation&quot;’ [Luke 11:1-4].
  There are many times in scripture when we see Jesus making time to pray to God the Father.  We can be encouraged as men to follow in the example of Jesus and make time to have prayer become part of our daily lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was learning to spend a regular time with God in prayer, I was encouraged to have a portion of the time in praise.  Using God’s word, primarily in the Psalms was most helpful in learning to praise God.  Psalms 144 – 150 in particular were very helpful.  I began by taking a few minutes and ask God to allow His Holy Spirit to bless the time and allow me to honor God with praise.  I would prayfully read out loud one of the Psalms as though they were my words praising God.  As time went on and I read something that would stir my spirit, I would take time to praise God in my words.  An example:<br />
Psalm 145:8	“the Lord is gracious and merciful, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love.”  I would praise God for specific times in my life when He was gracious and merciful to me, my wife or my children.  I would praise and thank Him for the many ways I experienced His steadfast love.<br />
As I grew in my faithfulness to prayer and being comfortable praising God, I didn’t always use the Psalms.   I developed my own prayer language and experience of being in God’s presence.  At times it would be helpful to begin my time of praise with visualizing being in heaven with all of the angels praising God.  As time went on it was easy and natural to just begin a time of praise to God.  As with any relationship, time and consistency are key.<br />
I just wanted to share one small aspect of how I learned to spend time praising God.  For some it may be very helpful to sing a song of praise and have that be the initiator into a time of praising God.<br />
Jesus inspired, encouraged and taught the disciples how to pray.  An example is in Luke 11:1-4.<br />
He was praying in a certain place, and when he ceased, one of his disciples said to him, &#8220;Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.&#8221; And he said to them, &#8220;When you pray, say:<br />
‘Father, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread; and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive every one who is indebted to us; and lead us not into temptation&#8221;’ [Luke 11:1-4].<br />
  There are many times in scripture when we see Jesus making time to pray to God the Father.  We can be encouraged as men to follow in the example of Jesus and make time to have prayer become part of our daily lives.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Prayer by RK</title>
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		<dc:creator>RK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 16:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whoah- spelling mistakes. sorry... but look past that please =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoah- spelling mistakes. sorry&#8230; but look past that please =)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Prayer by RK</title>
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		<dc:creator>RK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 16:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question... 
Can you define what exactly &quot;prayer&quot; is and should be? I mean is the bible descriptive on it? I ask because I&#039;ve seen a few different things- first- people saying the same thing everytime over a meal, second, people bowing heads, folding hands, closing eyes and it&#039;s gut wrenching (most times I&#039;ve prayed with them), third- basically a conversation with God. 

I just ask because I&#039;m not wired to sit in prayer for a half hour. My mind wanders, I start doing things... I walk and talk to God. Honestly, that&#039;s how I find I&#039;m able to actually concentrate or pray. Or I write. I mean, is this wrong- is there a right and wrong way to pray? 

Just curious as a somewhat new beleiver if there is a &quot;right&quot; or &quot;wrong&quot; way for praying be done. Address when you feel you have the time. No rush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question&#8230;<br />
Can you define what exactly &#8220;prayer&#8221; is and should be? I mean is the bible descriptive on it? I ask because I&#8217;ve seen a few different things- first- people saying the same thing everytime over a meal, second, people bowing heads, folding hands, closing eyes and it&#8217;s gut wrenching (most times I&#8217;ve prayed with them), third- basically a conversation with God. </p>
<p>I just ask because I&#8217;m not wired to sit in prayer for a half hour. My mind wanders, I start doing things&#8230; I walk and talk to God. Honestly, that&#8217;s how I find I&#8217;m able to actually concentrate or pray. Or I write. I mean, is this wrong- is there a right and wrong way to pray? </p>
<p>Just curious as a somewhat new beleiver if there is a &#8220;right&#8221; or &#8220;wrong&#8221; way for praying be done. Address when you feel you have the time. No rush.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Prayer by Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Echo Prayer is a cool website that allows you to create a prayer schedule and it will text reminders to you throughout the day at the times you set up.
http://www.echoprayer.com/front/welcome.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Echo Prayer is a cool website that allows you to create a prayer schedule and it will text reminders to you throughout the day at the times you set up.<br />
<a href="http://www.echoprayer.com/front/welcome.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.echoprayer.com/front/welcome.php</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Prayer by Noel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 14:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UPDATE: Thanks to the 66 men who signed up for our prayer team this weekend, along with the 29 women and 28 people with gender-neutral email addresses.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPDATE: Thanks to the 66 men who signed up for our prayer team this weekend, along with the 29 women and 28 people with gender-neutral email addresses.  :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Noel&#8217;s Church Locator by Linda Hentsch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Hentsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Church Name: Grace Summit Community Church
Website: www.gracesummit.org
City and State: Cuyahoga Falls, OH 44221
Denomination and/or Know Affiliations:Great Commission Churches and The Chapel Association
Any Additional Comments: Reaching men and women for Christ, training them to be committed followers of Him through a caring community of faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Church Name: Grace Summit Community Church<br />
Website: <a href="http://www.gracesummit.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.gracesummit.org</a><br />
City and State: Cuyahoga Falls, OH 44221<br />
Denomination and/or Know Affiliations:Great Commission Churches and The Chapel Association<br />
Any Additional Comments: Reaching men and women for Christ, training them to be committed followers of Him through a caring community of faith.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Noel&#8217;s Church Locator by Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 20:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Church Name - Substance Church
Website - http://www.substancechurch.com/
City and State - Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN
Denomination and/or Know Affiliations - Non-Denominational; part of ARC (Association of Related Churches)
Style - Contemporary, relevant
Any Additional Comments

My husband and I have been attending for a few months now following our move from Riverview.  We enjoy the relevant preaching/teaching and the focus/emphasis on community.  The church emphasizes the fact that &quot;church doesn&#039;t start until the service is over&quot;, and truly takes strides to get people connected with a life group.  

The church is about 5 years old and meets at three different locations within the Twin Cities.  It&#039;s a young and fast-growing church with a diversity of Christians in age and spiritual age.  The spirit of God is certainly moving here --  If you&#039;re in the the Twin Cities, check out Substance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Church Name &#8211; Substance Church<br />
Website &#8211; <a href="http://www.substancechurch.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.substancechurch.com/</a><br />
City and State &#8211; Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN<br />
Denomination and/or Know Affiliations &#8211; Non-Denominational; part of ARC (Association of Related Churches)<br />
Style &#8211; Contemporary, relevant<br />
Any Additional Comments</p>
<p>My husband and I have been attending for a few months now following our move from Riverview.  We enjoy the relevant preaching/teaching and the focus/emphasis on community.  The church emphasizes the fact that &#8220;church doesn&#8217;t start until the service is over&#8221;, and truly takes strides to get people connected with a life group.  </p>
<p>The church is about 5 years old and meets at three different locations within the Twin Cities.  It&#8217;s a young and fast-growing church with a diversity of Christians in age and spiritual age.  The spirit of God is certainly moving here &#8212;  If you&#8217;re in the the Twin Cities, check out Substance!</p>
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