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		<title>By: Risks of taking wellbutrin and marijuana together.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Risks of taking wellbutrin and marijuana together.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Wellbutrin....&lt;/strong&gt;

Wellbutrin side effects. Mixing wellbutrin and marijana. Wellbutrin weaning off. Wellbutrin....</description>
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<p>Wellbutrin side effects. Mixing wellbutrin and marijana. Wellbutrin weaning off. Wellbutrin&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: sexual attraction quote of day</title>
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		<dc:creator>sexual attraction quote of day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: .:hay&#8217;kin&#8217;en:. &#187; Lust and Sexual Attraction, Part 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>.:hay&#8217;kin&#8217;en:. &#187; Lust and Sexual Attraction, Part 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ArtHasbrook: I think I passed both Psyc and Soc this semester. I'm ashame... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ArtHasbrook</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArtHasbrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I passed both Psyc and Soc this semester. I'm ashamed that I haven't been spending the hour a day reading the bible these last weeks. I can tell you that I haven't slipped back into popular culture enough to mistake the new world definitional of "lust" for the truth that I am not innocent nor righteous on my own accord. In Christ I wouldn't and can't gaze at some woman's nakedness.

The blog quotes the subject as "But it is equally possible that we have allowed the Lord's spiritualizing of adultery to put a load of guilt on innocent consciences." I can not find any biblical logic in that quote; I won't justify my own behavior by popular culture's condition. But it is equally possible that we have allowed the Lord's spiritualizing of adultery to put a load of guilt on innocent consciences."

At the same time I was recently moved by "... therefore the people that doth not understand shall fall" Hosea 4:14 KJV I must understand that someone who would justify their behavior as in that blog is stuck in the context of the world. I know the logs in my eyes are still burning in the Grace by Christ. i hope to get much more insight with your comment Noel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I passed both Psyc and Soc this semester. I&#8217;m ashamed that I haven&#8217;t been spending the hour a day reading the bible these last weeks. I can tell you that I haven&#8217;t slipped back into popular culture enough to mistake the new world definitional of &#8220;lust&#8221; for the truth that I am not innocent nor righteous on my own accord. In Christ I wouldn&#8217;t and can&#8217;t gaze at some woman&#8217;s nakedness.</p>
<p>The blog quotes the subject as &#8220;But it is equally possible that we have allowed the Lord&#8217;s spiritualizing of adultery to put a load of guilt on innocent consciences.&#8221; I can not find any biblical logic in that quote; I won&#8217;t justify my own behavior by popular culture&#8217;s condition. But it is equally possible that we have allowed the Lord&#8217;s spiritualizing of adultery to put a load of guilt on innocent consciences.&#8221;</p>
<p>At the same time I was recently moved by &#8220;&#8230; therefore the people that doth not understand shall fall&#8221; Hosea 4:14 KJV I must understand that someone who would justify their behavior as in that blog is stuck in the context of the world. I know the logs in my eyes are still burning in the Grace by Christ. i hope to get much more insight with your comment Noel.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading the full article, I have to say, I don't agree with Smedes. At all. 

I agree with the second commenter on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading the full article, I have to say, I don&#8217;t agree with Smedes. At all. </p>
<p>I agree with the second commenter on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the first I've seen, heard, or read of this author, so I'm only reacting to this one article.  There's too many weak arguments and contradictions here for me to get a sense that I should take these thoughts seriously.

Expert opinion (my wife) tells me that he's got it totally wrong to talk about women and wives experiencing these issues the same as men and husbands.  In fact, just last night we were talking about the very subject in the opening paragraph you quoted; she was quizzing me in preparation for a women's small group she's leading this morning (the only question I think I may not have answered exactly correctly was "well, what if I &lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt; fat and ugly?").  At no point in our conversation did we uncover anything that would lend credence to some of the assertions in this article.

What both of us did find surprising is that men and women intuitively know very, very little about how the other views one's own sexuality and how God wired them to behave and react.  Bottom line realization is that it's normal for a man to notice an attractive woman and that that in itself is not an indication of a troubled marriage or of a husband that doesn't deeply love his wife.  However, I think we both would consider it an absurd leap, giving this as a starting point, to arrive at some of the things this author is saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first I&#8217;ve seen, heard, or read of this author, so I&#8217;m only reacting to this one article.  There&#8217;s too many weak arguments and contradictions here for me to get a sense that I should take these thoughts seriously.</p>
<p>Expert opinion (my wife) tells me that he&#8217;s got it totally wrong to talk about women and wives experiencing these issues the same as men and husbands.  In fact, just last night we were talking about the very subject in the opening paragraph you quoted; she was quizzing me in preparation for a women&#8217;s small group she&#8217;s leading this morning (the only question I think I may not have answered exactly correctly was &#8220;well, what if I <i>were</i> fat and ugly?&#8221;).  At no point in our conversation did we uncover anything that would lend credence to some of the assertions in this article.</p>
<p>What both of us did find surprising is that men and women intuitively know very, very little about how the other views one&#8217;s own sexuality and how God wired them to behave and react.  Bottom line realization is that it&#8217;s normal for a man to notice an attractive woman and that that in itself is not an indication of a troubled marriage or of a husband that doesn&#8217;t deeply love his wife.  However, I think we both would consider it an absurd leap, giving this as a starting point, to arrive at some of the things this author is saying.</p>
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		<title>By: thecox</title>
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		<dc:creator>thecox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I was willing to consider the question as stated above, but once I read the article something jumped out at me:
&lt;blockquote cite="A husband who is distracted, tired, depressed, and in general out of tune with his own sexuality may feel the need for sexual stimulus that his wife, unfortunately, does not provide.  If he sneaks a look at some touched-up picture of an undressed woman, he may in fact, be merely receiving the stimulus he needs to make love to his wife."&gt;

I firmly believe Eph 5:32 in regards to marriage: "This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church," in that marriage was a part of God's plan for humanity, so that in some way our feeble minds would have a point of comparison with Christ's sacrifice and place in our lives.  And I believe that the best way to know if, as a husband, I should consider something in regards to my wife or our marriage is to ask: "Would Jesus do this for/to the church?"

And that is why red flags starting going up when I read the quote from the article.  To use apply this analogy to Ephesians, would Jesus, looking at a consistently failing believer like myself, need to look at someone like Billy Graham or C.H. Spurgeon because seeing me causes none of the love and desire of his Bride?  I feel that the author is advocating the opposite of Prov 5:18-19 Let your fountain be blessed,
and rejoice in the wife of your youth..
Let her breasts fill you at all times with delight;
be intoxicated always in her love.

But what do I know.
(sorry, I know that's a typical PoMo response for a signoff)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I was willing to consider the question as stated above, but once I read the article something jumped out at me:</p>
<blockquote cite="A husband who is distracted, tired, depressed, and in general out of tune with his own sexuality may feel the need for sexual stimulus that his wife, unfortunately, does not provide.  If he sneaks a look at some touched-up picture of an undressed woman, he may in fact, be merely receiving the stimulus he needs to make love to his wife.">
<p>I firmly believe Eph 5:32 in regards to marriage: &#8220;This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church,&#8221; in that marriage was a part of God&#8217;s plan for humanity, so that in some way our feeble minds would have a point of comparison with Christ&#8217;s sacrifice and place in our lives.  And I believe that the best way to know if, as a husband, I should consider something in regards to my wife or our marriage is to ask: &#8220;Would Jesus do this for/to the church?&#8221;</p>
<p>And that is why red flags starting going up when I read the quote from the article.  To use apply this analogy to Ephesians, would Jesus, looking at a consistently failing believer like myself, need to look at someone like Billy Graham or C.H. Spurgeon because seeing me causes none of the love and desire of his Bride?  I feel that the author is advocating the opposite of Prov 5:18-19 Let your fountain be blessed,<br />
and rejoice in the wife of your youth..<br />
Let her breasts fill you at all times with delight;<br />
be intoxicated always in her love.</p>
<p>But what do I know.<br />
(sorry, I know that&#8217;s a typical PoMo response for a signoff)</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: ArtHasbrook</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArtHasbrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I know of "lust" is that its an emotion not limited to sexual motives nor hormonal drives. While "eros" is normally associated with erotic but means sexual. I do feel that Jonathan's emotion for David was beyond brotherhood; I would not call it sexual under any circumstance it was "agape".
While "storge" is discribed as parental love I feel it is obligatory and the love that should last if there isn't some magical "agape" or hormonal "eros". The modern psychological equivalent should be unfailing "consummate love".
Glaring at someone and noticing them are different, and not glaring at them is going to make them less noticeable on a relative scale. On campus I spend many of my prayers for women that are dressed scantly.
While I could not imagine confessing love for a woman and that changing I've had my heart and trust broken time and time again. I am weak and that's part of the reason I feel the need to pray for those college women. Blah;  I'll have to read that article after my final tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I know of &#8220;lust&#8221; is that its an emotion not limited to sexual motives nor hormonal drives. While &#8220;eros&#8221; is normally associated with erotic but means sexual. I do feel that Jonathan&#8217;s emotion for David was beyond brotherhood; I would not call it sexual under any circumstance it was &#8220;agape&#8221;.<br />
While &#8220;storge&#8221; is discribed as parental love I feel it is obligatory and the love that should last if there isn&#8217;t some magical &#8220;agape&#8221; or hormonal &#8220;eros&#8221;. The modern psychological equivalent should be unfailing &#8220;consummate love&#8221;.<br />
Glaring at someone and noticing them are different, and not glaring at them is going to make them less noticeable on a relative scale. On campus I spend many of my prayers for women that are dressed scantly.<br />
While I could not imagine confessing love for a woman and that changing I&#8217;ve had my heart and trust broken time and time again. I am weak and that&#8217;s part of the reason I feel the need to pray for those college women. Blah;  I&#8217;ll have to read that article after my final tomorrow.</p>
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