Comments on: Dialogue http://www.noelheikkinen.com/2004/09/29/dialogue/ Home of Noel Heikkinen's thoughts, audio, photos, video, etc. Wed, 21 Dec 2011 00:59:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Amy http://www.noelheikkinen.com/2004/09/29/dialogue/comment-page-1/#comment-754 Amy Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:26:23 +0000 http://www.noelheikkinen.com/?p=641#comment-754 Goodness.Just thought I'd see what you had to say on the issue, wasn't expecting the death penalty/abortion thing as well. Here's my two cents.. If God really created us perfectly and he truly knew us before we were a sparkle in our parent's eye... Why would he create someone to be homosexual, if it is condemned by Him? I just don't understand why in all honesty someone would choose that lifestyle,seeing how difficult it can be..thus.. said person must have been born with the homosexual desire from the beginning. My cousin actually had a pastor tell him that in order for him to continue attending "their" church, he had to confess his sins (being a homosexual) before the entire congregation and ask for their forgiveness as well as forgiveness from God. He's never stepped in a church since. It's the wonderful work of Church staff like that, that makes me want to whack them on the head and say "way to go buddy, you just lost another one"... Goodness.Just thought I’d see what you had to say on the issue, wasn’t expecting the death penalty/abortion thing as well. Here’s my two cents.. If God really created us perfectly and he truly knew us before we were a sparkle in our parent’s eye… Why would he create someone to be homosexual, if it is condemned by Him? I just don’t understand why in all honesty someone would choose that lifestyle,seeing how difficult it can be..thus.. said person must have been born with the homosexual desire from the beginning. My cousin actually had a pastor tell him that in order for him to continue attending “their” church, he had to confess his sins (being a homosexual) before the entire congregation and ask for their forgiveness as well as forgiveness from God. He’s never stepped in a church since. It’s the wonderful work of Church staff like that, that makes me want to whack them on the head and say “way to go buddy, you just lost another one”…

]]> By: j http://www.noelheikkinen.com/2004/09/29/dialogue/comment-page-1/#comment-753 j Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:21:20 +0000 http://www.noelheikkinen.com/?p=641#comment-753 true. an unborn child cannot commit murder. that isn't the point. the death penalty = killing. no matter the situation or circumstance. plain and simple. it's just portrayed as "ok" since the person who is on death row usually has committed murder or some other violent act. but is death really the answer? what does it solve? true. an unborn child cannot commit murder. that isn’t the point. the death penalty = killing. no matter the situation or circumstance. plain and simple. it’s just portrayed as “ok” since the person who is on death row usually has committed murder or some other violent act. but is death really the answer? what does it solve?

]]> By: Mike http://www.noelheikkinen.com/2004/09/29/dialogue/comment-page-1/#comment-752 Mike Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:36:43 +0000 http://www.noelheikkinen.com/?p=641#comment-752 Spoke with a few friends for quite a while concerning "the dialoge," and some of the people involved. I cannot imagine the hurt that took place, and some things have become clearer to me through it, including my convictions. As for the death penalty vs abortions, that seems pretty simple to me. I am no card carrying republican, but simple logic says an unborn child never committed murder. Spoke with a few friends for quite a while concerning “the dialoge,” and some of the people involved. I cannot imagine the hurt that took place, and some things have become clearer to me through it, including my convictions.

As for the death penalty vs abortions, that seems pretty simple to me. I am no card carrying republican, but simple logic says an unborn child never committed murder.

]]> By: OpenDoors http://www.noelheikkinen.com/2004/09/29/dialogue/comment-page-1/#comment-755 OpenDoors Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:26:19 +0000 http://www.noelheikkinen.com/?p=641#comment-755 <strong>Letters Across the Divide</strong> After I posted the entry "Tough Love" yesterday, I received several e-mails. Not hate mail, not mail from other gay people... Mail from Christians who agreed that the church hasn't necessarily been successful in sending the right messages to people lik... Letters Across the Divide

After I posted the entry “Tough Love” yesterday, I received several e-mails. Not hate mail, not mail from other gay people… Mail from Christians who agreed that the church hasn’t necessarily been successful in sending the right messages to people lik…

]]> By: j http://www.noelheikkinen.com/2004/09/29/dialogue/comment-page-1/#comment-751 j Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:38:15 +0000 http://www.noelheikkinen.com/?p=641#comment-751 man..i wish i didn't rely on spell check so much. please disregard any gramatical errors :) man..i wish i didn’t rely on spell check so much. please disregard any gramatical errors :)

]]> By: j http://www.noelheikkinen.com/2004/09/29/dialogue/comment-page-1/#comment-750 j Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:20:54 +0000 http://www.noelheikkinen.com/?p=641#comment-750 great dialouge! awesome stuff. always a touch subject with people. funny that you post this. just went and saw margaret cho last night and she is a HUGE gay rights activist and brought up some pretty valid points. good stuff yo. one of her comments that stuck with me was. "why is it that republicans and a majority of hard core christians are for the death penalty, but against abortion?" hummmmmm... alright. word em up! miss ya noley! gots to hook up soon. ~j great dialouge! awesome stuff. always a touch subject with people. funny that you post this. just went and saw margaret cho last night and she is a HUGE gay rights activist and brought up some pretty valid points. good stuff yo.
one of her comments that stuck with me was. “why is it that republicans and a majority of hard core christians are for the death penalty, but against abortion?” hummmmmm…

alright. word em up! miss ya noley! gots to hook up soon.
~j

]]> By: Aaron http://www.noelheikkinen.com/2004/09/29/dialogue/comment-page-1/#comment-749 Aaron Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:00:37 +0000 http://www.noelheikkinen.com/?p=641#comment-749 "My goal needs to focus simply on the relationship and being the friend God has taught me to be through his example." That is an amazing thought. Love is quiet but speaks much more clearly (and effectively) than arguments or debates on philosophies or interpretations of Scripture. Love is trust, and I'll listen to the opinions of those I trust. But first, the love. “My goal needs to focus simply on the relationship and being the friend God has taught me to be through his example.”

That is an amazing thought. Love is quiet but speaks much more clearly (and effectively) than arguments or debates on philosophies or interpretations of Scripture. Love is trust, and I’ll listen to the opinions of those I trust. But first, the love.

]]> By: Cindy http://www.noelheikkinen.com/2004/09/29/dialogue/comment-page-1/#comment-748 Cindy Thu, 30 Sep 2004 06:13:28 +0000 http://www.noelheikkinen.com/?p=641#comment-748 Thanks for sharing this awesome dialogue (Aaron, too). I have went back and forth on the whole issue of tough love never understanding fully where I should stand as Christian on it. Seeing how it affected Aaron and the others that he shared about convicted me. The real issue for me seems to be how to stand firm in my convictions without feeling the need to shove them down people's throats. You guys have shown that it is possible to be clear on your convictions, agree to disagree, and still enjoy a great friendship. God is showing me more and more that this is what life is all about relationships. I think the key thing that I am learning is that even though God may have the goal of reaching others through me, that cannot be my goal. My goal needs to focus simply on the relationship and being the friend God has taught me to be through his example. If I focus on reaching people for Christ then I try to do his job and have a hard time loving people who do not want my way of life- people with convictions other than mine. Sorry for so many words that really seem to say just that I need to love people and let God do the rest, whatever that may be. Thanks again Noel and Aaron for making this more clear to me!! Thanks for sharing this awesome dialogue (Aaron, too). I have went back and forth on the whole issue of tough love never understanding fully where I should stand as Christian on it. Seeing how it affected Aaron and the others that he shared about convicted me. The real issue for me seems to be how to stand firm in my convictions without feeling the need to shove them down people’s throats. You guys have shown that it is possible to be clear on your convictions, agree to disagree, and still enjoy a great friendship. God is showing me more and more that this is what life is all about relationships. I think the key thing that I am learning is that even though God may have the goal of reaching others through me, that cannot be my goal. My goal needs to focus simply on the relationship and being the friend God has taught me to be through his example. If I focus on reaching people for Christ then I try to do his job and have a hard time loving people who do not want my way of life- people with convictions other than mine. Sorry for so many words that really seem to say just that I need to love people and let God do the rest, whatever that may be. Thanks again Noel and Aaron for making this more clear to me!!

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