Comments on: Gay Marriage http://www.noelheikkinen.com/2004/03/20/gay-marriage/ Home of Noel Heikkinen's thoughts, audio, photos, video, etc. Wed, 21 Dec 2011 00:59:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: dan http://www.noelheikkinen.com/2004/03/20/gay-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-263 dan Sun, 21 Mar 2004 05:56:19 +0000 http://www.noelheikkinen.com/?p=389#comment-263 Right on man. I agree. Right on man. I agree.

]]> By: marty http://www.noelheikkinen.com/2004/03/20/gay-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-262 marty Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:09:35 +0000 http://www.noelheikkinen.com/?p=389#comment-262 A moralized culture is exactly how the author makes a society founded on Christian principles sound. I disagree with his idea of what a group of people, in this case a country, living by Christian principles would look like . His description sounds a lot like what Jesus condemned in the Jewish culture of his time. You seem to think that I'm against gay marriage...My point was that some Christians have real problems with the idea for whatever reason. The answer isn't to assume they are self righteous or that they believe they are holier than everyone else. Personally, it seems like an injustice to deny gay couples the rights married couples have. It seems that people are too busy trying to prove the other side wrong instead of discussing it and getting all sides of the issue out on the table. If you're against homosexual marriage you're self rightious and selfish and somehow against God if you are for it or at the least indifferent. It's really a discussion where people feel they must attack the other side, when what we should be doing is listening and really taking to heart what both sides are saying. A moralized culture is exactly how the author makes a society founded on Christian principles sound. I disagree with his idea of what a group of people, in this case a country, living by Christian principles would look like . His description sounds a lot like what Jesus condemned in the Jewish culture of his time.

You seem to think that I’m against gay marriage…My point was that some Christians have real problems with the idea for whatever reason. The answer isn’t to assume they are self righteous or that they believe they are holier than everyone else. Personally, it seems like an injustice to deny gay couples the rights married couples have.

It seems that people are too busy trying to prove the other side wrong instead of discussing it and getting all sides of the issue out on the table. If you’re against homosexual marriage you’re self rightious and selfish and somehow against God if you are for it or at the least indifferent. It’s really a discussion where people feel they must attack the other side, when what we should be doing is listening and really taking to heart what both sides are saying.

]]> By: dan http://www.noelheikkinen.com/2004/03/20/gay-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-261 dan Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:11:34 +0000 http://www.noelheikkinen.com/?p=389#comment-261 "Man, I don't think I'd want this guy being in charge of creating a country based on Christian principles..." Um, yeah don't follow you here. I think that Christians trying to create a "moralized culture" seems inward and selfish. It seems that we want to create a nice, clean place around us so we can be "sanctified." Like Noel said in one of his sermans (something like this) "you don't hear the apostles complaining about how the Roman leaders were gay (some of them were) and how that was such a bad example and was tearing apart society." Here is a quote from someone on this issue that I think I agree with. "Isn't the answer to remove the government from the responsibility of defining marriage? I think the gov should institute civil unions, for EVERYONE. Marriage is matter that is between you, your partner and God. The government shouldn't be involved in defining what is and isn't marriage. This is the job of the Church." “Man, I don’t think I’d want this guy being in charge of creating a country based on Christian principles…”

Um, yeah don’t follow you here. I think that Christians trying to create a “moralized culture” seems inward and selfish. It seems that we want to create a nice, clean place around us so we can be “sanctified.” Like Noel said in one of his sermans (something like this) “you don’t hear the apostles complaining about how the Roman leaders were gay (some of them were) and how that was such a bad example and was tearing apart society.”

Here is a quote from someone on this issue that I think I agree with.
“Isn’t the answer to remove the government from the responsibility of defining marriage? I think the gov should institute civil unions, for EVERYONE. Marriage is matter that is between you, your partner and God. The government shouldn’t be involved in defining what is and isn’t marriage. This is the job of the Church.”

]]> By: marty http://www.noelheikkinen.com/2004/03/20/gay-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-260 marty Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:32:50 +0000 http://www.noelheikkinen.com/?p=389#comment-260 Man, I don't think I'd want this guy being in charge of creating a country based on Christian principles. I also don't understand why the author believes that a country based on Christian principle's wouldn't have one such principle being that we have the freedom of Christ. Anyway, on to the issue of homosexual marriage. The author makes a valid point that legalizing marriage and bringing it into the church are two different issues. I wish they would have touched on this issue a little more. Their use of Christians ignoring stealing in the Martha Stewart case and attacking gay marriage seems rather absurd to me. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone, Christian or non-Christian, that believes stealing is OK. People are of one mind on that issue. The same can't be said of homosexual marriage. It does a disservice to the discussion that is taking place on this topic when the author doesn't acknowledge loving Christians who really do have reservations about changing this institution of marriage. It's definitely true that some Christians spew hate when they talk about homosexuals, but not everyone who is against gay marriage wears anti-gay T-shirts or drives around with anti-gay bumper stickers. Many Christians are trying to work their way through this issue in an earnest attempt to find how Christ would respond to it. The bottom line is that there can't be an honest discussion/debate on this issue as long as we equate being against gay marriage to having a hatred of homosexuals. Man, I don’t think I’d want this guy being in charge of creating a country based on Christian principles. I also don’t understand why the author believes that a country based on Christian principle’s wouldn’t have one such principle being that we have the freedom of Christ.
Anyway, on to the issue of homosexual marriage. The author makes a valid point that legalizing marriage and bringing it into the church are two different issues. I wish they would have touched on this issue a little more. Their use of Christians ignoring stealing in the Martha Stewart case and attacking gay marriage seems rather absurd to me. You’d be hard-pressed to find someone, Christian or non-Christian, that believes stealing is OK. People are of one mind on that issue. The same can’t be said of homosexual marriage. It does a disservice to the discussion that is taking place on this topic when the author doesn’t acknowledge loving Christians who really do have reservations about changing this institution of marriage. It’s definitely true that some Christians spew hate when they talk about homosexuals, but not everyone who is against gay marriage wears anti-gay T-shirts or drives around with anti-gay bumper stickers. Many Christians are trying to work their way through this issue in an earnest attempt to find how Christ would respond to it. The bottom line is that there can’t be an honest discussion/debate on this issue as long as we equate being against gay marriage to having a hatred of homosexuals.

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